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in the beginning

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god created the heavens and the earth

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and i looked and behold a whirlwind came

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out of the north

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a great cloud and the fire enfolding

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itself

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and the brightness was about it and out

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of the midst thereof as the color of

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amber

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out of the midst of the fire came the

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likeness of

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four living creatures and this was their

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appearance

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they had the likeness of a man

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and everyone had four faces and everyone

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had four wings and their feet were

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straight feet

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and the sole of their feet was like the

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soul of a calf's foot

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and they sparkled like the color of

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burnished brass

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and they had the hands of a man under

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their wings

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now as i beheld the living creatures

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behold

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one wheel upon the earth

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in an infinite universe with an infinite

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capacity for life we dwell in a remote

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region of a single galaxy containing a

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billion stars

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upon a small water-laden planet we call

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earth

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life forms have come and gone on this

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planet the human race has been here only

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a million years

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over this period of time we have become

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the most technically adept species on

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earth

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a technically adept species with dreams

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of flight

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after thousands of years of trying in

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1903 two men in kitty hawk north

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carolina took to the air

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reaching for the sky the wright brothers

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had done something no other human beings

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had ever done before

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proving that man could indeed fly just

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sophisticated that we started reaching

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beyond the sky

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into the heavens as the 1960s began

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john glenn orbited the earth

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successfully to the astonishment and

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cheers of millions

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as the 60s ended another era in space

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flight

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had begun today voyager 2

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an unmanned spacecraft filled with

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scientific instruments and human

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greetings from earth will soon be

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leaving our solar system to visit other

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just 80 years after the wright brothers

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first engine powered flight

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is it possible for living creatures to

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visit other worlds

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is it possible for other life forms to

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our story begins here on the banks of

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the pascagoula river

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an area that gained its notoriety for

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being the site of a rather temperature

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the first flaps that were brought to

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and fall of 1947.

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in april of that year a meteorologist

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unusual craft while tracking weather

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a credible honest businessman from boise

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sighting that fully captured the

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of the american public while flying his

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that coined the phrase flying saucer

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soon flooded in in a recently

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declassified document addressed to the

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director of the fbi

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an official at strategic air command in

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it seems three so-called flying saucers

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saucers were found due to a very high

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to deal with a phenomenon of ufos

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reporting what they saw and experienced

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the conclusion was drawn that the ufo

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message and cease to report ufo

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that would change the minds and

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i don't think i'll ever forget what did

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tried several places and we came back up

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sitting on an old pair fishing out into

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what really attracted my attention but

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i heard a history like sound and when i

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inches or a foot off the ground just

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and i didn't know what it was

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it startled me at first and i stepped

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sliding door and it was brilliant light

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the craft just to be in the flight

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uh well i know that was robots but there

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so then those things were getting close

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instantly and one of them took hold of

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ground at the height

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taller than they were

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to my right uh i saw one take hold of

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later that he had he had passed out he

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they just we just went right on to the

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crab through that door into that bright

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went into what was probably the middle

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of a room or compartment and it appeared

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overhead and the floor and

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the room i suppose and

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um they just released me i couldn't move

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anything but my eyes i could move my

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don't know why i could move them and

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couldn't move anything else

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but anyway they released me and a few

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moments i suppose it was

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but out directly in front of me

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something came out of the wall

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that it appeared to me that just a big i

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always refer to it as an eye a big pupil

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and an eye

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and it moved up in front of my face and

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it remained there for a

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few few minutes of moments i suppose

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and he went downward and went under me

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came back in front of me and it remained

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my first and only contact with charles

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hickson and calvin parker

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was on the morning october the 12th of

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1973

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early in the morning i was working in

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the x-ray department at the hospital

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and if you for those of you who

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knew the scenery hospital back at that

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time we had a route that went up back to

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the emergency room where the

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ambulances used to have come up to bring

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to patients and the emergency room was

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right next to the x-ray department and

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some people from the emergency room came

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to the x-ray department

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and uh told me that there were some guys

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down

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in the emergency room that they had they

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said you got to come see these guys they

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claim they got picked up by a spaceship

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so me and a

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couple of my buddies that were there at

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the time sort of started laughing you

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know you got to imagine being in the

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hospital some of the stories that you

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can hear

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in a hospital so i went down to the

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emergency room which is just a very few

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steps from the x-ray department at that

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time

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it was early in the morning to my

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understanding

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they had brought charles hickson and

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calvin parker to the hospital very early

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in the morning they had spent maybe

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part of the night at the sheriff's

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department but at that time i didn't

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know anything about that

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so i went down there and they were

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checking these two guys out presumably

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for

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whether drinking drugs or anything i

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don't know if something was happening to

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them or whatever

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i didn't get to see that portion of it

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but when it got through uh the two guys

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were standing there and definitely to my

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curiosity i was uh

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wanting to know what was going on and

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right about that time the television

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station out of

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biloxi showed up and it was just one

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cameraman with uh

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one of those shoulder cameras and

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a guy that was like a an announcer

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interviewer or whatever so

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they asked charles and calvin to step

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out on the ramp which right outside the

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door there and i went out with them

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because i sort of knew the

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cameraman that was there at the time i

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was on speaking terms with him anyway

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so we went outside i walked out with him

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and i stood beside the cameraman

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and the guy was interviewing charles

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hickson probably

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10 feet from where we were standing so i

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can

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very easily say that i was one of the

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very first people to ever

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hear charles hickson interviewed and i

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listened to him what's amazed me over

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the years is the fact that the exact

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story that i heard

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him tell he hasn't changed his story at

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all

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it was identical and i'm sure people

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that are watching this program

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have heard his story that it hasn't

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wavered the way he describes

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what happened and the whole story is

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exactly

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the same over the years he hasn't

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changed at all and my uh

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the thing that ralph my interest was

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calvin parker

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was very quiet and

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he seemed to me to be a very timid young

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man

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and so i myself went over to calvin and

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we walked

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down halfway down that ramp

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and so i started asking calvin what was

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going on because you know of course at

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the first uh we had a big laugh about it

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and uh

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and then i started listening when i

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heard the story i started thinking this

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story is it's got to be

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one of the strangest stories that i've

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i've heard so

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i wanted a second opinion so i walked

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down the ramp with calvin

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and i asked him about it and calvin he

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really seemed scared he uh he was sort

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of white in the face and

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he was still nervous and he told me the

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story of what happened said that

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they heard the noise and he looked back

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and these things came out and they

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reached down to get him and he passed

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out

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and that's all that he remembered that

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was a story that he told me

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and so uh listening to charles hickson's

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story and seeing calvin's reaction had

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me

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a little concern this is a point where

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it sort of wiped a little bit of smile

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off of my face

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and i'm still very reluctant to believe

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such a story like

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many people are but but still in all uh

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i'm also reluctant to uh to call these

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two guys

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total wackos so to speak

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because listening to a story like that

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and then hearing it over the years and

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hearing the story

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told the same after repeated

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interrogation if you want to call it or

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interviews it's got to make you

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sit back and listen some pascagoula's

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julius bosco was one of the first

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physicians to examine the men

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i remember meeting them was fairly early

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saturday morning about 8 or 8

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30 before really the news meter or

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anyone else had gotten to them

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i was a casual visitor visiting mr

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walker who owned

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the shipyard and who was their employer

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i was uh

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i was fascinated what they said and

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i really i found it difficult to accept

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everything that was said however i

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believe that they were sincere i do not

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believe that either of them at that time

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was putting on

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charlie and calvin's story seemed so

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incredible that it attracted

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professional doctors scientists and

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hypnotists from the entire country to

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test the validity of their encounter

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or to discredit it surprisingly it was

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these hypnosis sessions polygraph tests

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and examinations that deemed this as one

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of the most authentic ufo sightings in

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history

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recently in a phone interview with dr

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james harder a professor at the

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university of california

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he told us of his initial hypnosis

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session with charles hickson

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which took place within 36 hours of the

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abduction

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dr james harder is a professor of

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engineering in berkeley california

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also an investigator of ufos we want to

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thank you for joining us here on

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in contact this evening dr harder as i

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understand it you flew to pascagoula

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within 36 hours of charlie hixson and

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calvin parker's

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contact and shortly thereafter placed

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both men

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under hypnosis of course dr heineck also

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dr bosco and dr

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bridge is present and we would like you

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to if you would tell us

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what transpired and what conclusions you

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arrived at

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well i arrived saturday morning which

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was uh in the midst of an enormous

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amount of confusion we were more or less

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holed up or

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besieged in the office where charlie

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worked

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and outside there were all kinds of tv

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people and other people

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anxious to get the story we were trying

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to do

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as investigators as a job of

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of determining exactly what additional

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information

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charlie or or calvin might have

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remembered under hypnosis

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with some difficulty we we managed to

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get things calmed down

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and i hypnotized charlie with the notion

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that we wouldn't ask you to

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ask him to go through any of his

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experience but just see if he could go

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into hypnosis

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he did and he lost a terrific headache

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and he was much pleased i believe by

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that

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he told an incredible story to the

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people there although it's not quite so

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incredible to those of us who have other

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kinds of investigations we've conducted

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i think particularly um telling is his

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recalling that he was levitated as he

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was taken aboard the craft now i don't

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think charlie at the time was

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sufficiently

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sophisticated to know that that happens

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fairly frequently it wouldn't be

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something i should think

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that he would have made up but

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it was an extraordinary story and i

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think he's able to tell it in his own

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words better than i

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am but i had no doubt at any time

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that he wasn't telling the truth as he

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knew it and that the case was not an

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excellent one from the standpoint of

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credibility

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we talked about uh whether to

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tell someone or to not say nothing to no

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one

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but uh we felt like we needed to tell

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someone

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but we didn't know who to tell so we

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decided to call keisler and kessler told

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us they didn't want anything to do with

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this to call our local sheriff's

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department

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so we did we stopped and called the

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local sheriff's department and

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um now i don't have any idea what time

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in all this was taking place

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so after we called our local sheriff's

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department they sent a car patrol car

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out to pick us up at charlie's apartment

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the pair did go to the jackson county

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sheriff's office fred diamond was the

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all the conversation they had we had it

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on tape

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captain ryder taped it all

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while they while he was interviewing him

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on the left

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okay now they didn't realize that this

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was being they didn't know that it was

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being real uh

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didn't realize that it was uh

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being taped or anything and so

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uh it's been so long it's kind of hard

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for me to remember everything but i do

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know that

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when i was talking to him i taped it

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the recording referred to was to become

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a vital piece of evidence in making this

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one of the most credible

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ufo incidents in modern history after

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being questioned

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separately charlie and calvin were later

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left alone in the same room at the

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sheriff's station

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and little did they realize at the time

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that they were being recorded

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[Music]

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had to go through christ like this i was

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i was still suspended there

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i didn't know what wasn't anything i

561
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could do i just kept thinking you know

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what are they going to do with me

563
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are they going to take me away or i

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couldn't imagine what they were going to

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do or what they were doing with me

566
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but anyhow after a while these things

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came back and they took hold of me and

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we seemed to turn they're in the room

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and we moved back

570
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:48,880
out the doorway and they moved back to

571
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:50,880
almost the exact spot that they had

572
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:52,160
picked me up from

573
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:53,919
and they just released me and i fell to

574
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,280
the ground

575
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:57,440
well it was this time that i saw calvin

576
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:59,520
again and he was

577
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,039
he was standing there in front of the

578
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,120
river with his arms outstretched

579
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:05,280
and he appeared to me to be going in

580
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:06,400
shop

581
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:08,960
and i was trying to get up to my feet to

582
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:09,840
make it

583
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:11,520
to him to see if i could help him some

584
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:14,799
way and i heard that hissing sound again

585
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:18,000
and i looked behind me and i saw those

586
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:20,720
blue lights just instantly and this

587
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:21,440
craft just

588
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:24,480
it just went away

589
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:26,320
well i made my way on the calvin and i

590
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:28,640
could get up on my feet by this time and

591
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,960
it took me a while to to get him where i

592
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:32,480
could talk to him and

593
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:35,039
and assure him that maybe you know that

594
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:35,760
we

595
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:40,000
to us

596
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:42,559
eddie on october 11th 1973 you were

597
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,120
stationed in okinawa and the u.s marines

598
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:47,520
and you didn't hear about the encounter

599
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:48,880
from your mother and father

600
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,960
you read about it in stars and stripes

601
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,400
could you tell us about your reaction

602
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:54,720
and and what it felt like to

603
00:21:02,230 --> 00:20:58,640
find out about that this way yes uh

604
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:02,240
my first reaction was shock because

605
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,600
i really didn't understand what had

606
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,280
happened to my father

607
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,760
and when i read the parts about where dr

608
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:09,600
harder and dr heineck came down

609
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:12,400
to do an investigation i didn't really

610
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,360
understand what all

611
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:15,600
that involved that led me to believe

612
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:17,360
that there there may have been some harm

613
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:18,720
done to them

614
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:21,440
um i had no way of finding out other

615
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:22,880
than waiting for a letter to come from

616
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:23,840
home

617
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:26,240
and the the the articles in the paper

618
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:27,679
were just bits and pieces

619
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,480
you might say two men were picked up and

620
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:32,240
were boarded a ufo on the pascagoula

621
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,400
river in pascagoula mississippi

622
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:36,559
and basically that's all that was in the

623
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,720
paper the first article

624
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:40,799
i think there was two articles that

625
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,880
followed that maybe in a week's time

626
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,000
but it didn't give me much more

627
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:46,159
information than that

628
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:48,960
and i really didn't know what to think

629
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:49,760
how did the

630
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:52,960
other members of your company react they

631
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,240
um they acted

632
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:58,000
reacted sort of surprised there was

633
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:59,600
several guys in my company there from

634
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,960
mississippi

635
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:02,640
they were quite concerned because we had

636
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:05,360
been stationed at other bases together

637
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,159
nobody ridiculed me they were quite

638
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:10,159
interested in it

639
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,919
they were as anxious as i was to find

640
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:13,360
out some information from home

641
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:20,230
they were just basically good-natured

642
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,679
about it you know

643
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:23,280
tisha at the time of your father and

644
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,720
calvin's encounter

645
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,360
you were very small child so young that

646
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,280
you don't even really remember

647
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:32,400
the encounter but the years have come

648
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:33,280
and gone

649
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:36,960
were here 14 years later and

650
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:39,760
the book ufo contacted pascagoula has

651
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:40,000
been

652
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,640
published your father and calvin's story

653
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:44,559
has been

654
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,440
on the front page of the major newspaper

655
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,360
here on the gulf coast as well as

656
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:52,000
some of the smaller newspapers tell us

657
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:53,600
about

658
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:56,799
the years growing up the uh

659
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:59,360
was there every time they had any doubt

660
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:00,640
about their story and

661
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:03,919
and also if you would the reaction of

662
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:04,960
your friends

663
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,919
and acquaintances outside of the family

664
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,640
well i've

665
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:11,120
never doubted my parents i believe

666
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,159
everything they say

667
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:14,880
and my friends have supported me real

668
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,440
well

669
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,760
and they've always been there there's

670
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:19,440
been no ridicule towards me

671
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:22,799
or towards the book and everybody's just

672
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,830
blanche if it could all be done over

673
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:28,799
again

674
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:31,440
would you prefer that charlie and calvin

675
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:34,320
didn't report this incident

676
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,549
i certainly would because he has it's

677
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,320
happened to him and he's proven he's

678
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:46,159
proven it's happened to him

679
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:50,400
and it's all true so regardless of

680
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,760
uh any of the frustrations or

681
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,159
or problems that may have created over

682
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:57,760
the years

683
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,080
if any you would still want it to be

684
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:02,400
reported and for people to know

685
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,840
i certainly would

686
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:08,000
it was real frightening to me that night

687
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,120
and scary

688
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,799
it was hard for me to believe you know

689
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:12,159
just like everybody else you know i

690
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,720
guess they

691
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:14,400
thought the same thing i did you know we

692
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,679
didn't know if it was real or what

693
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:17,840
happened

694
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,880
uh the next day i knew it did happen to

695
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,320
him

696
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,559
and from days on a week zone and months

697
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,919
on i knew it happened to him because he

698
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,440
had cold sweats

699
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:29,039
had to change his sheets at least two

700
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,640
and three times a night

701
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:33,520
from cold sweats and he's never been the

702
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:34,400
same since

703
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,000
and i haven't either you

704
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:40,080
did not weather through all of this

705
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:41,360
quite as well as

706
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,480
charles did you experienced a couple of

707
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,480
breakdowns is that correct

708
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,960
yeah i really wouldn't say it was a a

709
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,880
severe nervous breakdown or anything but

710
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,559
it's just more stress than what i could

711
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:53,840
handle

712
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:56,559
uh because i had more things you know

713
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:57,520
going on

714
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:00,960
trying to make a living i was

715
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:03,679
getting married in that year the same

716
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:05,200
year just about a month after this

717
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,400
happened

718
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:08,000
and it's just so much pressure on me i

719
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,440
just couldn't stand it you know so i

720
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,200
pretty much stayed out of the media

721
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:13,279
and uh you know there's a time or two

722
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,559
that i had to go in the hospital on

723
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,840
count of my nerves

724
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,279
and you know i still have problems with

725
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,039
my nerves okay at one point you even

726
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:20,960
relieved a reporter of his camera

727
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:24,480
yes sir i did uh i'd had so many

728
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,440
reporters

729
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,559
i mean no privacy whatsoever and

730
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:31,279
i was just tired of reporters so the one

731
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,559
from

732
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,240
the press i believe it was mississippi

733
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:36,000
press came up was taking pictures and i

734
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,039
told him you know

735
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:39,919
huh let's not do this today unless this

736
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:42,080
not in the program here

737
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,000
so he wouldn't listen so i had to take

738
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,159
his old camera away and throw it down

739
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:48,000
take his old film out and all for him

740
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:49,600
charlie's story has since appeared in

741
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,559
many national and

742
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,320
international publications becoming one

743
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:54,640
of the most documented accounts of a ufo

744
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:56,080
experience in history

745
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,919
huge write-ups and periodicals like the

746
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,440
globe the examiner

747
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:01,039
the national star and many other

748
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,320
magazines have been done about this

749
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,320
major encounter in mississippi

750
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:06,480
in turn many renowned international ufo

751
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,600
experts have become aware of the

752
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:09,440
pascagoula story and have already begun

753
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,880
calling on charlie hixson

754
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,559
charlie started to receive hundreds of

755
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:14,000
letters from people around the world who

756
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:15,360
had had their own experiences with

757
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,799
extraterrestrial life

758
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:18,080
of course some of the letters weren't to

759
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,679
be taken seriously at all and proved

760
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,600
suspect after the first paragraph

761
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,360
but many of the correspondents wrote of

762
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,120
the comfort they felt after reading

763
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,960
about the adversity charlie faced after

764
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:28,080
his ordeal

765
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,440
some relate their own encounters and

766
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,200
then asked charlie to shed light upon a

767
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,720
topic that keeps these contactees

768
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:34,400
suspect in public view

769
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,760
there are hopeful letters that request

770
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,440
charlie to be an intermediary for

771
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,279
opening up channels of communication to

772
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,039
the extraterrestrial beings

773
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:42,960
in these letters expectations run high

774
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,559
the charlie hixson will someday be

775
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:45,919
contacted again

776
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,559
by aliens there are religious groups and

777
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:50,159
ministers who write him encouragement

778
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,799
and profess

779
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,480
daily support for his endeavors in their

780
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,480
prayers and they also write to charlie

781
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,400
about how the spirituality of the church

782
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:57,919
and its encompassing of all god's

783
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,919
creatures can inspire those who believe

784
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,840
that humans are not alone in this

785
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:03,760
universe

786
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,720
in 1974 a year after his ufo experience

787
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:08,320
charlie made a record at the gulf coast

788
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,679
recording studio

789
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,679
with this record charles hickson ufo

790
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:13,120
story parts 1 and 2

791
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,559
charlie hoped to explain himself

792
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,559
publicly and in his own words

793
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,080
exactly what happened the night of

794
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:20,960
october 11 1973

795
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:24,320
i believe these things are making

796
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,679
preparations to communicate in some way

797
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:29,279
with our government

798
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,480
only time will tell in 1983

799
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,480
charlie co wrote a book entitled ufo

800
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:36,640
contact in pascagoula with investigative

801
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,360
reporter

802
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,000
william mendez published by wendell c

803
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,600
stephens in tucson arizona the book

804
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,600
scrutinized every angle of charlie and

805
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,960
calvin's experience

806
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,640
included his original testimony

807
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,159
testimony under hypnosis

808
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,240
a psychological report scientific

809
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:52,640
analysis and an appendix of theoretical

810
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,919
arguments that covers many of the

811
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:55,520
questions charlie has run across over

812
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,320
the years

813
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,080
in his introduction william medes

814
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,679
explains the reasons why he decided to

815
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:01,039
help charlie with such a book

816
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,320
and how he had to maintain his

817
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:04,080
objectivity even as the evidence in

818
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,679
charlie's case grew seemingly more

819
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:06,880
fantastic

820
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:09,279
ufo contact in pascagoula contains

821
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,880
photographs and maps which depict the

822
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:12,240
places and events that have become the

823
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:13,520
shocking reality

824
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:17,039
of charlie hixson's life

825
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,720
speculation as to whether or not the

826
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,880
federal government has actual proof that

827
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:22,559
ufos do indeed exist

828
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,640
has been a major topic of discussion

829
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:27,120
since the 1947 roswell new mexico

830
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,159
incident

831
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,559
most ufologists believe the air force is

832
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:32,399
under direct orders from the pentagon to

833
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:33,039
debunk

834
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:36,159
ufos stan friedman a nuclear physicist

835
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,679
from new brunswick canada

836
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,279
who has been a guest on all the major

837
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:40,960
networks recently spoke of the

838
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:43,840
government's premier top secret ufo team

839
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:46,320
majestic 12 and of the crash in new

840
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:47,840
mexico

841
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:51,039
it happened 40 years ago july 1947

842
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:52,960
within two weeks of when the first big

843
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:55,120
public noise began about flying saucers

844
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,039
and apparently one ran into a big storm

845
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,279
of flying saucer

846
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,679
exploded pieces were scattered over an

847
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,440
area three quarters of a mile long and a

848
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,840
quarter mile wide and as it turns out as

849
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,919
determined by an aerial surveillance a

850
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,760
few days later

851
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,679
after an initial statement was made by

852
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,279
the government that they now had one of

853
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:14,880
these flying discs that people have been

854
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,520
seeing

855
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,520
that four bodies were discovered two

856
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:18,799
miles away

857
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,720
uh somewhat disturbed by predators of

858
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,559
various sorts

859
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,080
according to a document that's just

860
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:26,159
recently been released a top secret eyes

861
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:27,600
only document this led to the

862
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:30,159
establishment of a team a super special

863
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:30,960
team of 12

864
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:33,200
people reporting only to the president

865
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,720
including the secretary of defense and

866
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:36,080
the first three heads of the central

867
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,919
intelligence group incidentally

868
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,600
and that group is apparently still in

869
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:41,520
place trying to figure out the

870
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,480
technology

871
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,399
uh having evaluated the bodies to say

872
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:46,480
they're not from a common biological

873
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:48,159
background with us

874
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:51,279
and expressing concern with public panic

875
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:54,799
um the key agency uh majestic

876
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:58,080
12 it was called everything we found so

877
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:59,600
far and we've been doing some very hard

878
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:00,000
looking

879
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,760
uh seems to suggest that this document

880
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:03,120
is genuine

881
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:05,600
and it's a very exciting twist of events

882
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,399
because

883
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,399
we were able to check the information in

884
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,799
it about roswell against the data we had

885
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,640
from all these people that we had talked

886
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:14,000
to and

887
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:15,679
we can't find anything in disagreement

888
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,320
with what we already knew on that score

889
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:20,080
and we checked all the people and they

890
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:21,679
all had high level security clearance

891
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,880
it's just the kind of people you'd

892
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:24,720
expect to be involved in this kind of

893
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,600
thing

894
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:27,840
we've also checked dates when people

895
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:29,679
supposedly got together and

896
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:32,480
again everything checks out for example

897
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,919
the document was actually a briefing

898
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:36,480
document from president-elect eisenhower

899
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,240
november 18th 1952 uh two weeks after he

900
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:42,080
was elected for the first time and we

901
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,600
were able to establish that he did

902
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,520
indeed receive a briefing from at least

903
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,760
one member of majestic 12 on that date

904
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:49,679
according to the new york times

905
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:52,559
leonard stringfield noted author and ufo

906
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:53,279
crash site

907
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,840
investigator talks of a recent ufo crash

908
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,360
and government cover-up

909
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,080
in the southeast of the united states a

910
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,480
very recent one of interest

911
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,279
occurred in western kentucky well just

912
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,039
about six or seven months ago

913
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,559
and the remains the skeletal remains of

914
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:12,240
the two creatures

915
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:15,600
not human or animal were found on a

916
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,399
farm a doctor who lives in the western i

917
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,760
can't name it i'm not allowed to even

918
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,000
name the town mind you but anyway

919
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:24,559
a doctor owns a he uh who is retired

920
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,120
don't say

921
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,840
large tract of land farmland and in

922
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,840
making one of his occasional strolls on

923
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:31,600
his property he ran across these two

924
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,640
sets of bones a little burned out area

925
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,120
and uh he estimated that the bone

926
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,120
remains some of the ligaments ligaments

927
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,360
attached to the bone structure

928
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:43,120
had been there for four or five months

929
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,640
which would put it back to

930
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:47,360
possibly the end of last year or the

931
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:47,840
first

932
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,279
year so uh the

933
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:53,120
he in turn called the sheriff and the

934
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:54,720
sheriff in turn

935
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:57,519
called the military and uh they sent

936
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,919
from

937
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,760
fort campbell in kentucky they said

938
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:01,279
three helicopters are following

939
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:02,880
the following morning this according to

940
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:06,000
the doctor uh

941
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:09,120
they sent the 20 20 people came out of

942
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:09,440
the

943
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,080
helicopters some military some civilians

944
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:16,480
and just took over the whole property

945
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,120
and they

946
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:19,360
it was uh sophisticated equipment they

947
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,960
made to

948
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,720
get the area where the buns were and

949
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:24,399
also the burned out area

950
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,360
and then they returned the next morning

951
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,960
with some new dirt with dirt phil

952
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,799
to cover up everything make sure nobody

953
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:32,720
got there see the doctor was asked not

954
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:33,360
to

955
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,200
years

956
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,120
not all high level officials have chosen

957
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,760
to remain silent on the ufo phenomenon

958
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:43,360
clarence darjee who worked on the

959
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,559
project blue book

960
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,320
and is now retired from the air force

961
00:32:52,750 --> 00:32:48,559
remembers quotes by general macarthur

962
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:52,760
and president reagan let's go back to

963
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,760
1954 with gerald douglas macarthur and

964
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:57,519
we're all aware of that's a household

965
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:58,159
word

966
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:01,440
household name knows and

967
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:02,960
of course i lived during the period when

968
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,679
he was active and history has

969
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:07,440
carried on his name he was not a man to

970
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,320
make flip or idle statements

971
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:12,799
during one of his press conferences

972
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:13,919
shortly after he

973
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,799
retired from the army he was asked at

974
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,159
that time to

975
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,080
give his opinion as to the chances for

976
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:22,320
mankind's continuation on this earth now

977
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:23,039
that

978
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:25,600
we had invented these horrendous weapons

979
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,480
such as atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs

980
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,240
and he dropped a little bombshell of his

981
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:32,960
own he said

982
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,799
the greatest uh danger to mankind's

983
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,720
continuation on this earth he said will

984
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,279
not come from international strife

985
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:42,960
he said immediately he said uh

986
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,799
eventually runner he said all of the

987
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,480
nations of the world will have to band

988
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:48,720
together to face a greater threat

989
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,000
and that is a threat from outer space

990
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,000
that is a man who was privy to

991
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:55,919
information that

992
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,720
a lot of other sources did not have even

993
00:34:02,870 --> 00:33:59,919
as late as

994
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,880
last year with the uh the summit meeting

995
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:04,000
at the regiment

996
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,120
in iceland at that time

997
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:09,919
president reagan made an offer to

998
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:10,800
gorbachev

999
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,359
premier gilbert and said he would be

1000
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:15,119
willing to ally our forces were the

1001
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,800
russian forces in the event of an

1002
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,639
invasion from outer space

1003
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:20,800
jay allen heineck was an astrophysicist

1004
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,679
and consultant from 1948 to 1969 on the

1005
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,440
air force's project grudge which later

1006
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,760
became the now famous project blue book

1007
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,679
heineken became extremely disenchanted

1008
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:31,040
with the air force's reluctance in

1009
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,040
taking ufo sightings seriously

1010
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,599
in 1973 he founded the j allen heineck

1011
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,200
center for ufo studies

1012
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:39,119
kufos was the first research facility

1013
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:41,040
established by a scientist and dedicated

1014
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,560
to the collection investigation and

1015
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:44,320
analysis of ufo research

1016
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,599
here are some of the most interesting

1017
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:47,359
stories out of their recent files

1018
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,399
in october of 1979 lou blackburn shot

1019
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,399
slides of a ufo over a title river mouth

1020
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,760
at motu now new zealand

1021
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:55,200
the pictures were taken while blackburn

1022
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:56,639
was photographing a friend's fishing

1023
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,280
boat

1024
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:59,040
fifteen-year-old franklin abraham yuri

1025
00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:00,560
was living in iran with his parents and

1026
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,359
younger brother

1027
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,839
october 8th 1978 franklin was playing

1028
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,599
soccer in his backyard when a strange

1029
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,760
white object approached him from the sky

1030
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:09,520
franklin snapped photos from a kodak

1031
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,839
camera loaded with 126 color film

1032
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,920
from scotland 14 year old james allen

1033
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:15,599
took this picture while photographing a

1034
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,720
dead volcano

1035
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,160
walking home he heard a weird humming

1036
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,240
noise looked up saw the object aimed his

1037
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:22,079
extra 12 camera and took a picture of

1038
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,280
the flying object

1039
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:25,920
august 1977 canoe jensen snapped

1040
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,000
photographs with his fixed focused kodak

1041
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,560
pocket camera in edmonton alberta canada

1042
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,119
and going back to august 2nd 1965 alan

1043
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,880
smith was over tulsa oklahoma and took

1044
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,680
this photo

1045
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,920
and in the early 70s jay allen heineck

1046
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:39,760
himself spotted this ufo from an

1047
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,359
airliner

1048
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:43,280
following jay allen heineck's death

1049
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,480
donald c schmidt

1050
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:46,560
became director of the center for ufo

1051
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,040
studies he is also wisconsin state

1052
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,440
director for the mutual ufo network

1053
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,280
author of numerous published articles

1054
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,359
and newspaper columns on ufos he has

1055
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,040
lectured widely on the subject

1056
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,040
and has frequently been interviewed by

1057
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,440
tv and radio stations newspapers and

1058
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:02,880
magazines

1059
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,680
well the center on an average receives

1060
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:06,880
from two to three

1061
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:09,040
reports a day and when i say the word

1062
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,079
report

1063
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,000
that only means that it comes to us as

1064
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,000
nothing more than a report

1065
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,599
when we talk about legitimate ufo

1066
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:17,760
activity we do explain

1067
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:20,960
roughly 90 of the cases that come in so

1068
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,280
that

1069
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:24,000
leaves us with only a few dozen cases

1070
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:25,520
that really stand out

1071
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,480
as legitimate ufos at year's end and

1072
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:30,480
those are cases that you follow up on

1073
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,680
uh do you go to the locations and and

1074
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,440
investigate them thoroughly

1075
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,200
and we in fact we will assign

1076
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:39,200
investigators who work specifically

1077
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,480
through the center

1078
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:43,119
and if they really warrant scientific

1079
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:44,800
investigation we would actually get

1080
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,440
involved

1081
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,359
ourselves as far as the scientific

1082
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:49,119
directors of the senate

1083
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:50,400
could you tell us about some of the most

1084
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:51,760
well-known cases that you've

1085
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,400
investigated through the center

1086
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:57,359
we're currently working on what has been

1087
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:57,920
originally

1088
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,800
classified as a mini ufo slab in

1089
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:02,640
midwestern wisconsin

1090
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:06,720
where to be since mid-january we have

1091
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,760
about 40 independent reports

1092
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:11,760
involving police officers a number of

1093
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,599
scientists and other people

1094
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,520
one particular night in question we had

1095
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,280
four separate police

1096
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,760
officers involved all describing

1097
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:21,520
essentially the same thing

1098
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:24,800
cigar shaped objects uh red white blue

1099
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:25,920
configurations of

1100
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:29,359
lights objects passing directly overhead

1101
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:29,599
of

1102
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,320
tracked on radar

1103
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,000
by the flight control center down in

1104
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,079
aurora illinois which confirmed the fact

1105
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:42,160
that there was some actual object

1106
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:45,040
present at ticker evening at first we

1107
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,640
decided we wouldn't tell anyone we just

1108
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,480
keep it to ourselves because

1109
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,640
you know i didn't want to be caught nut

1110
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:51,599
and crazy

1111
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,880
those things are just not supposed to

1112
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,680
happen but the more i thought about it

1113
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,200
the more i realized that

1114
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:59,119
that we had to tell someone maybe the

1115
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,240
military because

1116
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,079
you know possibly our country could be a

1117
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,320
threat to our country

1118
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,160
so we stopped on the way home and i

1119
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:08,000
called keisler air force base from a

1120
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:09,280
paid phone

1121
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:12,160
and uh briefly i tried to explain to

1122
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,520
them what had happened but

1123
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:15,200
they informed me that they didn't handle

1124
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,480
those things that we'd have to go

1125
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,960
through the local church department

1126
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,720
well we hesitated there we didn't want

1127
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:22,400
to go through the sheriff's department

1128
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:23,200
because

1129
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:24,720
you know they might just grab a sudden

1130
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:28,000
take us onto the nut house

1131
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:29,680
but anyway we talked it over again and

1132
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:31,359
decided we would call the sheriff's

1133
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,640
department and

1134
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,880
maybe we could get him to assure us that

1135
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,480
that we wouldn't have any publicity

1136
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,920
about it

1137
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,440
so i called the sheriff's department and

1138
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:41,200
they sent two deputies over which after

1139
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,800
talking with us asked us to follow him

1140
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:45,119
to the sheriff's department and we did

1141
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,760
and they are questions there for several

1142
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,599
hours

1143
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:52,079
and the sheriff assured me that night

1144
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,960
that

1145
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,720
uh we wouldn't have any publicity about

1146
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,240
it at all he would try to

1147
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:58,079
to maybe report it to the proper

1148
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,680
authorities whoever the proper

1149
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:00,800
authorities were and it could be

1150
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:02,320
investigated

1151
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,320
but the next day uh when we reached work

1152
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:09,359
my telephone was was ringing and it was

1153
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:10,160
some

1154
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,359
reporter from jackson and then uh all

1155
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:15,040
the telephones at the shipyard started

1156
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:16,000
ringing and

1157
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,920
they were trying to get information

1158
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:19,520
about what happened to charlie x and

1159
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,040
calvin parker

1160
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,920
that past night in past school public

1161
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,920
awareness about ufos has increased

1162
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,000
tremendously in the past few years

1163
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:30,320
in a recent gallup poll 15 million

1164
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:31,760
americans claimed to have had an

1165
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:34,720
actual ufo sighting the poll went on to

1166
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:35,839
say that 51

1167
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:38,400
of all americans believe that ufos exist

1168
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,760
and 46

1169
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,920
believe that there is intelligent life

1170
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,280
on other planets

1171
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,440
sightings are being reported daily and

1172
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:47,359
people are actively looking to the skies

1173
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,800
in hopes of catching a glimpse of the

1174
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:49,839
ufo

1175
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:51,920
the national enquirer a weekly

1176
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:54,400
supermarket tabloid has even gone as far

1177
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:55,520
as to offer a 50

1178
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:58,400
000 reward for positive proof that ufos

1179
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,760
exist

1180
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,480
during the latter part of 1987 charles

1181
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,000
hickson and calvin parker were the

1182
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,000
subject of a series of television shows

1183
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,920
in the pascagoula area

1184
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,440
the shows were broadcast live by

1185
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,520
mississippi community television and

1186
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,440
gave viewers the opportunity to call in

1187
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,520
and ask questions or direct comments to

1188
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:16,960
charlie and calvin

1189
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,359
in all 15 shows were aired during this

1190
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:21,839
time 209 phone calls were taken

1191
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,079
and almost all of them expressed support

1192
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,400
and belief in charlie and calvin's story

1193
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,079
during these shows charlie was often

1194
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:30,160
joined by other noteworthy people

1195
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:35,760
in the ufo field i saw a number of them

1196
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:38,640
well the first ones i saw was in alabama

1197
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:39,520
and

1198
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,400
they were in the form of the lights that

1199
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,160
everybody saw

1200
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:46,560
you know so many people saw the years of

1201
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,440
bright

1202
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:49,839
moving lights some of them sometimes

1203
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:52,160
they changed direction

1204
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,720
and they change colors intensity the

1205
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:56,720
intensity of the light change

1206
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:59,359
and one time i even saw one break up a

1207
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:00,160
flight of

1208
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,680
airplanes at night and

1209
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:05,200
it fascinated me i knew there was

1210
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,040
something going on i didn't you know i

1211
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:08,880
was like everybody else i didn't know

1212
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:11,920
what it was but i as a hobby i

1213
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:15,280
i kept up with what was uh published

1214
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:16,240
about

1215
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,079
these objects and in 1952

1216
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,800
a man by the name of george adamski this

1217
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:24,640
gentleman right here

1218
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,240
he uh he took this

1219
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,560
photograph is a he took a series of

1220
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,720
photographs but this photograph

1221
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,960
was the clearest of the ones that he

1222
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:36,560
took

1223
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:39,760
and he published it saying it was a ufo

1224
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,599
and he took the picture

1225
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,359
he had a camera mounted on he was an

1226
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,839
amateur astronomer and he had a camera

1227
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:46,800
mounted on a six

1228
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:51,599
inch telescope out in the back of his uh

1229
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,280
home in california and

1230
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:57,680
he managed to get this picture uh and

1231
00:42:03,270 --> 00:41:58,640
several others

1232
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:03,280
and so he published it and

1233
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:05,839
it went worldwide became famous and he

1234
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,710
giving uh more information about the

1235
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:12,480
photograph because he said that

1236
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:15,599
the people flying this aircraft uh gave

1237
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,480
him a ride and

1238
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:19,599
eventually several rides and he said

1239
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:21,040
they told him they came from other

1240
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:21,680
planets

1241
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:24,880
and uh i honestly

1242
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:27,520
uh in the beginning didn't believe the

1243
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,000
man

1244
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,880
but the photograph alone fascinated me i

1245
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:33,040
i believed that that he saw something

1246
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:35,200
because i saw the objects flying around

1247
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,560
in form of

1248
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,319
balls of light and so on as everybody

1249
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,160
else did but

1250
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:42,079
i was skeptical about him saying that he

1251
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,839
took a ride

1252
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:45,760
at an annual convention of ufology

1253
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,599
experts charlie joined hundreds of other

1254
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,880
interested people in gathering the

1255
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,319
latest information dealing with

1256
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,000
extraterrestrial phenomena

1257
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:54,160
the mutual ufo network symposium brings

1258
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:55,599
together people from all over the world

1259
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:57,040
to speak about their theories and

1260
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:58,000
experiences

1261
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,440
charlie himself joined a panel of

1262
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:01,200
speakers who each had their own alleged

1263
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,480
contact with aliens

1264
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,319
he found himself listening with awe and

1265
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:06,079
fascination as these perfectly normal

1266
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,760
people related frightening encounters

1267
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:09,920
with strange beings from other worlds

1268
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,599
charlie was also able to seek out advice

1269
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:13,440
and gain the camaraderie of famous ufo

1270
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,400
researchers attending the symposium

1271
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,720
the first documented and perhaps most

1272
00:43:21,790 --> 00:43:20,640
publicized deduction took place on

1273
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:21,800
september 19

1274
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:24,480
1961 in the white mountains of new

1275
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:25,440
hampshire

1276
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,920
unbeknownst to them at the time betty

1277
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:29,520
and barney hill were taken aboard a

1278
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,400
spacecraft

1279
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:33,040
examined and released the only memory

1280
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:34,640
they had of that night was returning

1281
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,280
home late

1282
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:37,520
from the trip and being unable to

1283
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,079
account for two hours during that time

1284
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:42,400
four years later under hypnosis the

1285
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:43,200
whole story

1286
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:46,000
finally came to light the car motor

1287
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:46,960
stalled

1288
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:50,240
they came up on each side took us out of

1289
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,880
the car

1290
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,720
along a path in the woods to where the

1291
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:54,800
craft was on the ground

1292
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:58,560
took us on board said they wanted to

1293
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:58,960
find

1294
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:02,319
out how we were like them or different

1295
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:02,960
from them

1296
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,119
and they were going to do some testing

1297
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,960
and as soon as the testing was over with

1298
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,640
they'd take us back to the car and we'd

1299
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:10,480
be able to go home

1300
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,079
they gave each they took us into

1301
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,920
separate rooms and they gave

1302
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,680
each of us a form of physical

1303
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:18,000
examination

1304
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:22,079
and uh there was one

1305
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:24,880
who spoke english there was a total of

1306
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,280
11

1307
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,000
altogether so for purposes of

1308
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,920
identification the one who spoke english

1309
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,359
we called the leader

1310
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:33,040
the one who did the testing we called

1311
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,400
the examiner

1312
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:36,720
and the nine of those stayed out in the

1313
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:37,839
corridor

1314
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,319
so we call them the crew members i was

1315
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,240
examined first

1316
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:44,400
and then the examiner went into the room

1317
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:45,839
where barney was

1318
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:48,079
and i was beginning to overcome some of

1319
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:49,280
my terror

1320
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,839
and beginning to relax and i said to the

1321
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,359
leader

1322
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,760
i know you're not from this planet i'd

1323
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:57,680
like to know where you're from

1324
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,880
he showed me a star map

1325
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,119
and he explained it to me briefly and

1326
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,680
then later dr simon gave me the

1327
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:07,680
post-hypnotic suggestion that if i'd

1328
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:08,640
like to i'd be

1329
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,079
able to sketch the map which i did

1330
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:14,960
this became important later because

1331
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,680
marjorie

1332
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:18,480
fish who at that time was a school

1333
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,040
teacher

1334
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,079
in ohio did the research

1335
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:25,280
and found out that this pattern of stars

1336
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,599
that i had scheduled actually exists

1337
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:32,400
and she was able to identify these i

1338
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:33,440
mean this took

1339
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,400
many years for one thing her research

1340
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:38,240
was handicapped by

1341
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:41,680
i had two maps two stars on the map

1342
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:45,680
that our astronomers had not found

1343
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,800
but later they did and that completed

1344
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:50,400
the research

1345
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:53,839
kurt october 11th 1973 was

1346
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,960
the first of several encounters for your

1347
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,400
father

1348
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,920
one i would like to speak with you about

1349
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:01,440
specifically is

1350
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:04,720
may of 1974 mother's day

1351
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,599
when you were with your father and you

1352
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,640
had a siding

1353
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,560
with him and several other members of

1354
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,960
your family would you tell us about that

1355
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,960
oh yes we were traveling back from jones

1356
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:16,880
county coming back mother's day

1357
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,119
up at my grandmother's house and uh we

1358
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:20,640
would come out of the town called sochi

1359
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,440
there

1360
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:24,240
headed back and uh i had noticed a light

1361
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,000
back over to the right

1362
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,800
i was real young then and kept on

1363
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,240
watching it to come on around the car it

1364
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,400
was still pretty good ways off

1365
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,160
and uh it come on around to the left

1366
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:36,400
there and kind of slowed down it kind of

1367
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:37,760
got closer

1368
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,319
to us and then my brother-in-law was

1369
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:42,160
driving the car he had slowed the car

1370
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:43,119
down some

1371
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:44,960
the light had got brighter and come on

1372
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:47,760
around and come in front of the car

1373
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:50,000
i would say 500 yards off and just kind

1374
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,760
of hovered over the road like

1375
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,200
enough where you could tell the lights

1376
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,520
and see what it looked like now

1377
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,839
after he kind of like was going to spell

1378
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:59,520
back up that kind of picked back up

1379
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:00,240
again

1380
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,839
and off to the right it went back off to

1381
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:03,599
the right again and you can see what it

1382
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:05,119
looked like it had landed back in there

1383
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:05,599
with him

1384
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,800
tall pine tree there and uh

1385
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,079
it was something that i won't never

1386
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,839
forget i can always say that i've seen

1387
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:15,359
one for myself

1388
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:18,560
you know to know that they are real and

1389
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,440
your dad

1390
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:22,079
he tried to get out of the car right he

1391
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,440
tried to get out of the car and my

1392
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,200
mother she was all in hysterics

1393
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:27,200
she didn't want him to get out and uh

1394
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,240
after

1395
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,760
she had done about to win his third he

1396
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:31,680
decided well he wouldn't get out that

1397
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,319
time he

1398
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,839
i reckon he figured my name would be

1399
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:35,680
another time

1400
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:38,160
tell me about your life since that night

1401
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:39,040
october 11th

1402
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:43,520
1973 well it's not much to tell about uh

1403
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,800
i've been through a couple of bad

1404
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:48,640
relationships bad marriages

1405
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,920
uh and most of it was my fault you know

1406
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:53,520
i wouldn't say it was my wife's fault

1407
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,119
during the time um

1408
00:48:02,549 --> 00:47:59,760
nerve problems changed jobs you know

1409
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,559
several different times

1410
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,640
just a lot of different things as a

1411
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,800
whole i think the public has been real

1412
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:08,720
decent to me

1413
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:12,480
um i haven't had any ridicule over all

1414
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,319
these years

1415
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:17,040
uh i think it's because i've been honest

1416
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:18,000
uh

1417
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,920
and when people wanted to ask me

1418
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:22,079
questions about it and talk about it i

1419
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,760
took up my time to do it religion

1420
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,839
far from being at odds from science may

1421
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,760
itself be a vague and distorted memory

1422
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,359
of things once known

1423
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:33,200
things we're beginning to rediscover

1424
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,119
through science however

1425
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:37,200
the religious convictions of many are a

1426
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,800
considerable source of bias in the

1427
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,040
matter of extraterrestrial visitors

1428
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:43,280
recently we talked with ted peters a

1429
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,720
lutheran minister and professor of

1430
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,000
systematic theology

1431
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,400
at pacific lutheran seminary about his

1432
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:50,400
philosophic views which are shared by

1433
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:51,040
many

1434
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:54,079
times i've taught

1435
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:55,760
courses on the book of revelation

1436
00:49:03,190 --> 00:48:59,200
there's absolutely nothing in there

1437
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:03,200
about aliens uh putting human beings uh

1438
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:04,559
here on earth

1439
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:07,680
i think that we can

1440
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:10,240
ask seriously whether or not there might

1441
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:10,720
be

1442
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:13,760
intelligent life on other planets and

1443
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:16,000
uh but i don't think that we need to

1444
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,800
necessarily

1445
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,200
uh pin it on the bible to do that i know

1446
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:21,280
there are some people who say

1447
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,079
that the belief that people live in

1448
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,200
other planets come to us from the devil

1449
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,000
i think that that's wrong i remember

1450
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,000
charles hickson saying one time when i

1451
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:34,000
quizzed him i asked him

1452
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,440
how did your experience with the ufo um

1453
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,440
change your religious beliefs he said

1454
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:41,280
well it didn't change him much i'm a

1455
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:44,319
hardshell baptist he said but now i have

1456
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,440
a picture of the of the bigness of god's

1457
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:49,760
creation in many ways i think that the

1458
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:50,079
most

1459
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:52,160
thoughtful theologians say exactly the

1460
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:53,440
same thing

1461
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:56,319
that god created the whole cosmos and if

1462
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,720
there

1463
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,800
are intelligent beings on other planets

1464
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:00,720
then they're part of the divine creation

1465
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:03,520
as well and whether the bible says that

1466
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,079
or not

1467
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,920
it's certainly an exciting thought to

1468
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:07,839
ponder

1469
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,920
man has always had an unquenchable

1470
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,520
thirst for knowledge

1471
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,520
a never-ending search for this knowledge

1472
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:15,680
has taken him into the boundless expanse

1473
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:21,910
on april 12 1961 russian cosmonaut yuri

1474
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:24,319
gagarin became the first man to leave

1475
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:27,599
earth's atmosphere and travel into space

1476
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,280
on july 16 1969 neil armstrong became

1477
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:33,040
the first man to set foot on another

1478
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:34,720
celestial body

1479
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:49,030
by 1974 our space probes were exploring

1480
00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:51,200
the outer atmospheres of mars

1481
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:54,359
venus and mercury on june 19

1482
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:57,920
1976 viking one landed on the service of

1483
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:58,559
mars

1484
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:01,520
in search of living organisms what it

1485
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,079
found

1486
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:04,559
shocked the world as far as the eye

1487
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:05,359
could see

1488
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,599
there was desert similar to the mojave

1489
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,119
desert on earth

1490
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,040
canyons so large that they could stretch

1491
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,520
from new york to san francisco

1492
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,440
river channels larger than the largest

1493
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,200
rivers on earth

1494
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:20,000
scientists believe that water once ran

1495
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:21,680
on the surface of mars

1496
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,240
and that huge glaciers once covered

1497
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,240
parts of the landscape

1498
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:28,319
after further examination it was

1499
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:29,280
believed

1500
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:32,079
that the atmosphere on mars was once

1501
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:33,040
conducive

1502
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,559
to the sustainment of life in less than

1503
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:38,000
a lifetime

1504
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:40,000
matt has come from utter astonishment at

1505
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,160
the wright brothers first rickety plane

1506
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,480
ride to curious observation

1507
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:46,800
of the pictures and information received

1508
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,079
from our interplanetary probes

1509
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:52,000
due to information gathered by probes

1510
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:54,079
such as mariner and voyager

1511
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,520
scientists have deduced that the

1512
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:58,079
formation of planets around the spa

1513
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,839
is a fairly common occurrence in the

1514
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:01,599
universe a process

1515
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,800
which is still occurring today given

1516
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,240
this idea

1517
00:52:10,990 --> 00:52:08,640
along with relatively recent discoveries

1518
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,000
in biochemistry and astronomy

1519
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:13,200
extraterrestrial life is now an

1520
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:14,319
acceptable notion

1521
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,839
in the scientific community man has

1522
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,599
always been reluctant to believe what he

1523
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,680
cannot comprehend

1524
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:23,839
where space travel was once the myth of

1525
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,079
comic books and adventure films

1526
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:28,240
it is now a commonplace method of

1527
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:29,440
further exploring

1528
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:32,160
our celestial backyard but once

1529
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,920
extraterrestrial life was considered

1530
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,440
fiction and fantasy

1531
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,440
the vast amounts of research and

1532
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,880
eyewitness reports

1533
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:41,040
now seem to put it in a credible

1534
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,559
perspective

1535
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:44,960
perhaps one day our questions will be

1536
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:46,000
answered

1537
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:49,040
perhaps one day man and extraterrestrial

1538
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:49,440
life

1539
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:58,549
sometimes i think maybe i shouldn't have

1540
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:01,280
told anyone what happened

1541
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:04,319
to me here on this pascal river

1542
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:08,000
many years ago but then again i realized

1543
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:08,960
that i did

1544
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,670
i think most of the people knows where

1545
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,040
man has been

1546
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:20,160
i think i know where we're going maybe

1547
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:21,040
someday i can

1548
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:26,870
i know there's other worlds out there

1549
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,359
with life on it and someday everyone

1550
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:31,280
will know that to be a fight

1551
00:53:44,170 --> 00:56:28,829
[Music]

1552
00:56:28,839 --> 00:56:33,330
do